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Conversion and Fear
« on: October 27, 2013, 08:47:43 PM »
So...I attended A local Greek Orthodox Church today.  I felt so great, it felt like Heaven, just like the emissaries of St. Vladimir described Liturgy in Constantinople.  It felt so great to not hear the Filioque!  When I attend Roman Mass, I personally drop the Filioque, but I digress. Anyway I just feel afraid to "jump ship".  I don't want to make "a wrong choice".   
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Re: Conversion and Fear
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2013, 08:50:46 PM »
You could always situate yourself in a Byzantine Catholic Church before you make the jump.

I figure that personally, since I am Protestant, it doesn't matter if I choose Orthodoxy or Catholicism seeing as I am neither, and in both cases outside of the Church.

However, I don't think I'll choose Catholicism. The Filioque is the real issue. Was it part of the Apostolic Deposit from the beginning or not? I am not convinced that it is.

You have to convince yourself on what Church is 'the Catholic Church'.

"In the Catholic Church itself, all possible care must be taken, that we hold that faith which has been believed everywhere, always, by all. For that is truly and in the strictest sense “Catholic,” which, as the name itself and the reason of the thing declare, comprehends all universally. This rule we shall observe if we follow universality, antiquity, consent. We shall follow universality if we confess that one faith to be true, which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity, if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is manifest were notoriously held by our holy ancestors and fathers... he is the true and genuine Catholic who loves the truth of God, who loves the Church, who loves the Body of Christ, who esteems divine religion and the Catholic Faith above every thing, above the authority, above the regard, above the genius, above the eloquence, above the philosophy, of every man whatsoever; who sets light by all of these, and continuing steadfast and established in the faith, resolves that he will believe that, and that only, which he is sure the Catholic Church has held universally and from ancient time; but that whatsoever new and unheard-of doctrine he shall find to have been furtively introduced by some one or another, besides that of all, or contrary to that of all the saints, this, he will under, stand, does not pertain to religion... it is incumbent on all Catholics who are anxious to approve themselves genuine sons of Mother Church, to adhere henceforward to the holy faith of the holy Fathers, to be wedded to it, to die in it." (St. Vincent of Lerins)
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Re: Conversion and Fear
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2013, 01:53:04 PM »
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So...I attended A local Greek Orthodox Church today.  I felt so great, it felt like Heaven, just like the emissaries of St. Vladimir described Liturgy in Constantinople.  It felt so great to not hear the Filioque!  When I attend Roman Mass, I personally drop the Filioque, but I digress. Anyway I just feel afraid to "jump ship".  I don't want to make "a wrong choice".   

Its natural to have some fear as I did when I was considering conversion. Know that you're not under any time constraints. Take your time in learning about the Faith and there are plenty of people here who can answer any questions or concerns you may have.

May God bless you in your search...
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Re: Conversion and Fear
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2013, 03:01:08 PM »
there is no rush.
i inquired for 2 years, was actively trying to be orthodox for 1 year and have been orthodox for 5 years  :)
after i left protestant Christianity, so many people asked me so many questions so many times about what i had done,
that i was really glad i spent so long preparing all the answers!

maybe it won't take you so long, but give it time and remember this is all about knowing and loving God more.
God is the same, but your relationship with Him will become deeper on your spiritual journey.
keep your loved ones informed what is going on.
many have posted on this website that they didn't do that, and that made things much harder later.
so get over any negative reactions here at the beginning, and if necessary, slow down a bit for your family.

when you have tasted heaven, you feel like you must jump in at once, but actually a relationship with God is formed through
many different experiences which increase your patience and your love. this really is heaven.
waiting is good for the soul, wait till you are ready, then jump!

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Re: Conversion and Fear
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2013, 03:02:20 PM »
You could always situate yourself in a Byzantine Catholic Church before you make the jump.

I figure that personally, since I am Protestant, it doesn't matter if I choose Orthodoxy or Catholicism seeing as I am neither, and in both cases outside of the Church.

However, I don't think I'll choose Catholicism. The Filioque is the real issue. Was it part of the Apostolic Deposit from the beginning or not? I am not convinced that it is.

You have to convince yourself on what Church is 'the Catholic Church'.

"In the Catholic Church itself, all possible care must be taken, that we hold that faith which has been believed everywhere, always, by all. For that is truly and in the strictest sense “Catholic,” which, as the name itself and the reason of the thing declare, comprehends all universally. This rule we shall observe if we follow universality, antiquity, consent. We shall follow universality if we confess that one faith to be true, which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity, if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is manifest were notoriously held by our holy ancestors and fathers... he is the true and genuine Catholic who loves the truth of God, who loves the Church, who loves the Body of Christ, who esteems divine religion and the Catholic Faith above every thing, above the authority, above the regard, above the genius, above the eloquence, above the philosophy, of every man whatsoever; who sets light by all of these, and continuing steadfast and established in the faith, resolves that he will believe that, and that only, which he is sure the Catholic Church has held universally and from ancient time; but that whatsoever new and unheard-of doctrine he shall find to have been furtively introduced by some one or another, besides that of all, or contrary to that of all the saints, this, he will under, stand, does not pertain to religion... it is incumbent on all Catholics who are anxious to approve themselves genuine sons of Mother Church, to adhere henceforward to the holy faith of the holy Fathers, to be wedded to it, to die in it." (St. Vincent of Lerins)

Umm... What?
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Re: Conversion and Fear
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2013, 05:33:54 PM »
there is no rush.
i inquired for 2 years, was actively trying to be orthodox for 1 year and have been orthodox for 5 years  :)
after i left protestant Christianity, so many people asked me so many questions so many times about what i had done,
that i was really glad i spent so long preparing all the answers!

maybe it won't take you so long, but give it time and remember this is all about knowing and loving God more.
God is the same, but your relationship with Him will become deeper on your spiritual journey.
keep your loved ones informed what is going on.
many have posted on this website that they didn't do that, and that made things much harder later.
so get over any negative reactions here at the beginning, and if necessary, slow down a bit for your family.

when you have tasted heaven, you feel like you must jump in at once, but actually a relationship with God is formed through
many different experiences which increase your patience and your love. this really is heaven.
waiting is good for the soul, wait till you are ready, then jump!
Yeah, that's what one of my friends said, no need to rush this...
Holy Father John Chrysostom, intercede for me!
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Re: Conversion and Fear
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2013, 06:09:42 PM »
You could always situate yourself in a Byzantine Catholic Church before you make the jump.

I figure that personally, since I am Protestant, it doesn't matter if I choose Orthodoxy or Catholicism seeing as I am neither, and in both cases outside of the Church.

However, I don't think I'll choose Catholicism. The Filioque is the real issue. Was it part of the Apostolic Deposit from the beginning or not? I am not convinced that it is.

You have to convince yourself on what Church is 'the Catholic Church'.

"In the Catholic Church itself, all possible care must be taken, that we hold that faith which has been believed everywhere, always, by all. For that is truly and in the strictest sense “Catholic,” which, as the name itself and the reason of the thing declare, comprehends all universally. This rule we shall observe if we follow universality, antiquity, consent. We shall follow universality if we confess that one faith to be true, which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity, if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is manifest were notoriously held by our holy ancestors and fathers... he is the true and genuine Catholic who loves the truth of God, who loves the Church, who loves the Body of Christ, who esteems divine religion and the Catholic Faith above every thing, above the authority, above the regard, above the genius, above the eloquence, above the philosophy, of every man whatsoever; who sets light by all of these, and continuing steadfast and established in the faith, resolves that he will believe that, and that only, which he is sure the Catholic Church has held universally and from ancient time; but that whatsoever new and unheard-of doctrine he shall find to have been furtively introduced by some one or another, besides that of all, or contrary to that of all the saints, this, he will under, stand, does not pertain to religion... it is incumbent on all Catholics who are anxious to approve themselves genuine sons of Mother Church, to adhere henceforward to the holy faith of the holy Fathers, to be wedded to it, to die in it." (St. Vincent of Lerins)

Umm... What?

Typed too much? Yeah, I thought that might be a problem... Oops.  :-[
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Re: Conversion and Fear
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2013, 07:33:10 PM »
You could always situate yourself in a Byzantine Catholic Church before you make the jump.

I figure that personally, since I am Protestant, it doesn't matter if I choose Orthodoxy or Catholicism seeing as I am neither, and in both cases outside of the Church.

However, I don't think I'll choose Catholicism. The Filioque is the real issue. Was it part of the Apostolic Deposit from the beginning or not? I am not convinced that it is.

You have to convince yourself on what Church is 'the Catholic Church'.

"In the Catholic Church itself, all possible care must be taken, that we hold that faith which has been believed everywhere, always, by all. For that is truly and in the strictest sense “Catholic,” which, as the name itself and the reason of the thing declare, comprehends all universally. This rule we shall observe if we follow universality, antiquity, consent. We shall follow universality if we confess that one faith to be true, which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity, if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is manifest were notoriously held by our holy ancestors and fathers... he is the true and genuine Catholic who loves the truth of God, who loves the Church, who loves the Body of Christ, who esteems divine religion and the Catholic Faith above every thing, above the authority, above the regard, above the genius, above the eloquence, above the philosophy, of every man whatsoever; who sets light by all of these, and continuing steadfast and established in the faith, resolves that he will believe that, and that only, which he is sure the Catholic Church has held universally and from ancient time; but that whatsoever new and unheard-of doctrine he shall find to have been furtively introduced by some one or another, besides that of all, or contrary to that of all the saints, this, he will under, stand, does not pertain to religion... it is incumbent on all Catholics who are anxious to approve themselves genuine sons of Mother Church, to adhere henceforward to the holy faith of the holy Fathers, to be wedded to it, to die in it." (St. Vincent of Lerins)

Umm... What?

Typed too much? Yeah, I thought that might be a problem... Oops.  :-[
No, it's the content I find troubling. Why would you advise someone to settle for an imitation when they can have the real thing?

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Andrew
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Re: Conversion and Fear
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2013, 09:37:19 AM »
It's kind of a delicate balance, isn't it? I mean, you don't want to rush in - you're going to be in it for the long haul, after all. But also you don't want to give yourself permission to dither around. At some point, you have to fish or cut bait, and just close your eyes and step out in faith. I'm sure the timing is different for everyone.
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Re: Conversion and Fear
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2013, 11:17:45 AM »
It's kind of a delicate balance, isn't it? I mean, you don't want to rush in - you're going to be in it for the long haul, after all. But also you don't want to give yourself permission to dither around. At some point, you have to fish or cut bait, and just close your eyes and step out in faith. I'm sure the timing is different for everyone.


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Re: Conversion and Fear
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2013, 08:56:21 PM »
Well, I've talked to a good friend of mine, and I think I'm going to go through with it.  Mark of Ephesus, pray for me!
Holy Father John Chrysostom, intercede for me!
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Re: Conversion and Fear
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2013, 09:54:09 PM »
You could always situate yourself in a Byzantine Catholic Church before you make the jump.

I figure that personally, since I am Protestant, it doesn't matter if I choose Orthodoxy or Catholicism seeing as I am neither, and in both cases outside of the Church.

However, I don't think I'll choose Catholicism. The Filioque is the real issue. Was it part of the Apostolic Deposit from the beginning or not? I am not convinced that it is.

You have to convince yourself on what Church is 'the Catholic Church'.

"In the Catholic Church itself, all possible care must be taken, that we hold that faith which has been believed everywhere, always, by all. For that is truly and in the strictest sense “Catholic,” which, as the name itself and the reason of the thing declare, comprehends all universally. This rule we shall observe if we follow universality, antiquity, consent. We shall follow universality if we confess that one faith to be true, which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity, if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is manifest were notoriously held by our holy ancestors and fathers... he is the true and genuine Catholic who loves the truth of God, who loves the Church, who loves the Body of Christ, who esteems divine religion and the Catholic Faith above every thing, above the authority, above the regard, above the genius, above the eloquence, above the philosophy, of every man whatsoever; who sets light by all of these, and continuing steadfast and established in the faith, resolves that he will believe that, and that only, which he is sure the Catholic Church has held universally and from ancient time; but that whatsoever new and unheard-of doctrine he shall find to have been furtively introduced by some one or another, besides that of all, or contrary to that of all the saints, this, he will under, stand, does not pertain to religion... it is incumbent on all Catholics who are anxious to approve themselves genuine sons of Mother Church, to adhere henceforward to the holy faith of the holy Fathers, to be wedded to it, to die in it." (St. Vincent of Lerins)

Umm... What?

Typed too much? Yeah, I thought that might be a problem... Oops.  :-[
No, it's the content I find troubling. Why would you advise someone to settle for an imitation when they can have the real thing?

In Christ,
Andrew

Oh, I see. Well, it was just a temporary suggestion.
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Re: Conversion and Fear
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2013, 10:38:08 PM »
Well, I've talked to a good friend of mine, and I think I'm going to go through with it.  Mark of Ephesus, pray for me!
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2013, 11:58:04 PM »
Congratulations, on your decision, but be prepared the timing is not solely up to you and it still may be awhile.
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