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« on: January 08, 2010, 10:50:46 AM »
If Arius had repented and returned to Orthodoxy, would he have been invited to the annual Christmas party? I mean, it would have been awkward to have both St. Nicholas and Arius there, and Christmas is sort of a special time for St. Nicholas.

If there is nothing that St. John of Damascus can't answer, then why didn't he tell us how to get rid of those annoying religious people who go door to door evangelizing?

If Orthodoxy is so special, then why is it only the Pope of Rome that has those guys in funny outfits protecting him?



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Re: Questions No Orthodox Christian Can Answer
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2010, 11:26:19 AM »
If Arius had repented and returned to Orthodoxy, would he have been invited to the annual Christmas party? I mean, it would have been awkward to have both St. Nicholas and Arius there, and Christmas is sort of a special time for St. Nicholas.

If there is nothing that St. John of Damascus can't answer, then why didn't he tell us how to get rid of those annoying religious people who go door to door evangelizing?

If Orthodoxy is so special, then why is it only the Pope of Rome that has those guys in funny outfits protecting him?



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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2010, 11:32:23 AM »
If Arius had repented and returned to Orthodoxy, would he have been invited to the annual Christmas party? I mean, it would have been awkward to have both St. Nicholas and Arius there, and Christmas is sort of a special time for St. Nicholas.
St. Nicholas would be busy handing out gifts. Of course, Arius would ask for a "How to debunk the Nicene heretics" manual. Which he would not get, because he had been a bad boy. Even if he repented, he's still the bad guy. >:(

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If there is nothing that St. John of Damascus can't answer, then why didn't he tell us how to get rid of those annoying religious people who go door to door evangelizing?
He did, but the Protestant Evangelicals found it first and posed it as their own in order to seem more orthodox by avoiding relations with Jehovah Witnesses!

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Re: Questions No Orthodox Christian Can Answer
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2010, 11:56:13 AM »
If Arius had repented and returned to Orthodoxy, would he have been invited to the annual Christmas party? I mean, it would have been awkward to have both St. Nicholas and Arius there, and Christmas is sort of a special time for St. Nicholas.

Arius actually was invited back and when he went up to receive communion dropped dead of intestinal issues.

If there is nothing that St. John of Damascus can't answer, then why didn't he tell us how to get rid of those annoying religious people who go door to door evangelizing?

Because Christ told us how to get rid of them. We are to speak to them in love and truth.

Matt 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven."

Where there is light, darkness cannot exist. Therefore, by shining our light before them they will either want to become part of the light, or will flee from it further into the darkness.

If Orthodoxy is so special, then why is it only the Pope of Rome that has those guys in funny outfits protecting him?



Checkmate, Orthodox!


You really think those are costumes worth bragging about?

As the 60 Minutes interview with His All Holiness on Dec 20, 2009 clearly showed (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6001717n&tag=contentBody;housing ), the Ecumenical Patriarch is under constant threat of attack. He has 24 hour security protecting him; they just don't dress in funny suits. ;)
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Re: Questions No Orthodox Christian Can Answer
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2010, 12:17:13 PM »
If Arius had repented and returned to Orthodoxy, would he have been invited to the annual Christmas party? I mean, it would have been awkward to have both St. Nicholas and Arius there, and Christmas is sort of a special time for St. Nicholas.
I've never been to a Christmas party that wasn't socially awkward to some degree. If it isn't arguments between intoxicated family members about things that happened in 1964, its the uncle snoring loudly on the sofa with a room full of guests.

If there is nothing that St. John of Damascus can't answer, then why didn't he tell us how to get rid of those annoying religious people who go door to door evangelizing?
He did tell us how to deal with them- just argue with them until they leave.

If Orthodoxy is so special, then why is it only the Pope of Rome that has those guys in funny outfits protecting him?



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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2010, 12:32:17 PM »
^ LOL! :D
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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2010, 12:32:24 PM »


Checkmate, Orthodox!



Well tis true that you guys have funnier hats than us.  ;)



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Re: Questions No Orthodox Christian Can Answer
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2010, 12:43:27 PM »


Checkmate, Orthodox!



Where was this picture taken?  What Orthodox association does it represent?

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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2010, 12:46:49 PM »
Where was this picture taken?  What Orthodox association does it represent?
They are the Romeiko Ensemble
They are wearing the choir vestments that were worn in the Church of the Holy Wisdom in Constantinople.
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Re: Questions No Orthodox Christian Can Answer
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2010, 01:36:43 PM »
Those are the choir vestments?? wow!  :o

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Re: Questions No Orthodox Christian Can Answer
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2010, 01:58:55 PM »


Arius actually was invited back and when he went up to receive communion dropped dead of intestinal issues.


if I may ask, are you by chance implying something specific here or just making a statement in general?

Just curious . . . as I have a tendency to jump to conclusions which turn out to not be there.


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Re: Questions No Orthodox Christian Can Answer
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2010, 02:19:47 PM »


Arius actually was invited back and when he went up to receive communion dropped dead of intestinal issues.


if I may ask, are you by chance implying something specific here or just making a statement in general?

Just curious . . . as I have a tendency to jump to conclusions which turn out to not be there.

Arius did not repent. Constantine demanded that he be re-instanted. I'm simply stating how Arius died:

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He was formally recalled from banishment; and all the chiefs of the Eusebian party were assembled in Constantinople to receive him back into the bosom of the church, when he suddenly died the day before the solemnity (336), at the age of over eighty years, at a time and in a manner that seemed to the orthodox party to be a direct interposition of Providence, and a condemnation of his doctrine; while his friends attributed the death to poison. Athanasius relates the fact in a letter to Serapion, on the authority of a priest, Macarius of Constantinople (De Morte Arii, Opera, ed. Bened. torn. I., pp. 1., 340), and ventures to interpret Providence in the uncharitable style of his age, yet not without some reluctance of his better Christian feeling Epiphanius (Haer. 68, c. 7) compares his death to that of Judas the traitor. Socrates (Hist. Eccl. I., 38) gives the following account: "Going out of the imperial palace, attended by a crowd of Eusebian partisans like guards, Arius paraded proudly through the midst of the city, attracting the notice of all the people. On approaching the place called Constantine’s Forum, where the column of porphyry is erected, a terror, arising from the consciousness of his wickedness, seized him, accompanied by a violent relaxation of the bowels. He therefore inquired whether there was a convenient place near, and, being directed to the back of Constantine’s Forum, he hastened thither. Soon after, a faintness came over him, and, together with the evacuations, his bowels protruded, followed by a copious hemorrhage, and the descent of the smaller intestines. More over, portions of his spleen and liver were carried off in the effusion of blood, so that he almost immediately died." Sozomen (H. E., II., 30) gives a similar account, and adds, that, for a long period, everybody avoided with horror the spot on which Arias died, until a rich Arian bought the place of the public, and built a house on the site, that there might be no perpetual memorial of his death.
Source: http://www.earlychurch.org.uk/arianism.php

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Saint Alexander was sent to the First Ecumenical Council in Nicaea as the delegate of Saint Metrophanes, Bishop of Constantinople (see June 4), to whose throne he succeeded in the year 325. When Arius had deceitfully professed allegiance to the Council of Nicaea, Saint Alexander, knowing his guile, refused to receive him into communion; Arius' powerful partisans threatened that they would use force to bring Arius into the communion of the Church the following day. Saint Alexander prayed fervently that God might spare the Church; and as Arius was in a privy place relieving nature, his bowels gushed forth with an effusion of blood, and the arch-heresiarch died the death of Judas.
Source: http://www.goarch.org/chapel/saints/183

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Re: Questions No Orthodox Christian Can Answer
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2010, 02:40:05 PM »
Those are the choir vestments?? wow!  :o

I thought that, with the exception of specified clergy, men are forbidden to wear hats (or any other head coverings) in Church.

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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2010, 02:45:05 PM »
Those are the choir vestments?? wow!  :o

I thought that, with the exception of specified clergy, men are forbidden to wear hats (or any other head coverings) in Church.

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Maybe they were all tonsured chanters or readers and that was part of their vestment back then.
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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2010, 02:48:19 PM »
I thought that, with the exception of specified clergy, men are forbidden to wear hats (or any other head coverings) in Church.

Singers and Readers are clergy.

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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2010, 03:03:28 PM »
I thought that, with the exception of specified clergy, men are forbidden to wear hats (or any other head coverings) in Church.

Singers and Readers are clergy.

Main reason for asking was kind of personal.  Without getting away from the subject matter, maybe one of the clergy (or some one who knows the answer) can comment on this question -

As some one who has gone through two bouts with cancer, I often wonder that if, God forbid, the cancer comes back and I have to go though chemo I WOULD lose my hair.  During that time period would I be allowed to wear a covering while in Church.  Once my hair was all out it wouldn't both me to appaer with a bald head but it would while the prosses was going on.

Sorry for getting off topic.  Fathers what do you have to say about this?

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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2010, 03:11:47 PM »
Perhaps you could just shave your head preemptively if you are not bothered to appear bald.  Or perhaps find an inexpensive wig.  If either of those solutions was for some reason untenable, if I were your priest, I'd let you come up with some sort of alternative covering solution. Let's pray that your remission continues!
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Re: Questions No Orthodox Christian Can Answer
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2010, 03:28:15 PM »
If Arius had repented and returned to Orthodoxy, would he have been invited to the annual Christmas party? I mean, it would have been awkward to have both St. Nicholas and Arius there, and Christmas is sort of a special time for St. Nicholas.

Arius actually was invited back and when he went up to receive communion dropped dead of intestinal issues.

If there is nothing that St. John of Damascus can't answer, then why didn't he tell us how to get rid of those annoying religious people who go door to door evangelizing?

Because Christ told us how to get rid of them. We are to speak to them in love and truth.

Matt 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven."

Where there is light, darkness cannot exist. Therefore, by shining our light before them they will either want to become part of the light, or will flee from it further into the darkness.

If Orthodoxy is so special, then why is it only the Pope of Rome that has those guys in funny outfits protecting him?



Checkmate, Orthodox!


You really think those are costumes worth bragging about?

As the 60 Minutes interview with His All Holiness on Dec 20, 2009 clearly showed (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6001717n&tag=contentBody;housing ), the Ecumenical Patriarch is under constant threat of attack. He has 24 hour security protecting him; they just don't dress in funny suits. ;)

Eh. I for one am all for more dapper uniforms for the guards of His All Holiness. It would be the true Byzantine way to do it.

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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2010, 05:21:10 PM »
^ LOL! :D
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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2010, 05:24:03 PM »


I retract my third "unanswerable" question. Those hats are beyond compare!

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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2010, 06:47:41 PM »
... Those hats are beyond compare!
In my small mission parish, three of us - all males - serve as chanters and choir. Where can I order choir vestments like those? The sight would likely draw a crowd much bigger than we usually see  ;D!

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What did those hats mean? Does anyone know?

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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2010, 12:27:30 AM »


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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2010, 01:35:50 AM »
If Orthodoxy is so special, then why is it only the Pope of Rome that has those guys in funny outfits protecting him?



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If Orthodoxy is so special, then why is it only the Pope of Rome that has those guys in funny outfits protecting him?
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