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« on: November 27, 2009, 05:54:44 PM »

I would like to create this thread so that members from both sides can provide scriptural passages that  support either monergistic or synergistic views of grace.

Here are some quick definitions of both.  If you guys don't agree with these definitions, let me know (give me suggestions!) and I'll try to clarify them.

Monergism describes the position of those who believe that God through the Holy Spirit works to effectually bring about the salvation of individuals through spiritual regeneration without cooperation from the individual.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monergism

Synergism describes the position that individual salvation is achieved through a combination of human will and divine grace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synergism

Discussion is encouraged. Enjoy, and please be respectful!  angel
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2009, 05:59:42 PM »

I'm not sure why it is necessary to proof text everything like we are putting doctrine on trial.

That smacks of rationalism to me. The Bible is not meant to be treated like a textbook or encyclopedia of belief, it is a story of God's Revelation. That's my two cents. Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2009, 06:37:06 PM »

I'll start. These verses illustrate to me very clearly how Orthodox view synergistic grace.

From Mw. 14:

25 And in the fourth watch of the night He came to them, walking on the sea. 26 When the disciples saw Him walking on the sea, they were terrified, and said, “It is a ghost!” And they cried out in fear. 27 But immediately Jesus spoke to them, saying, “Take courage, it is I; do not be afraid.”
28 Peter said to Him, “Lord, if it is You, command me to come to You on the water.” 29 And He said, “Come!” And Peter got out of the boat, and walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But seeing the wind, he became frightened, and beginning to sink, he cried out, “Lord, save me!” 31 Immediately Jesus stretched out His hand and took hold of him, and said to him, “You of little faith, why did you doubt?” 32 When they got into the boat, the wind stopped. 33 And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, “You are certainly God’s Son!”

Christ called Peter to come out of the boat. In order to come out of the boat, two things needed to happen.  First, Peter had to believe that if he walked out, he would walk on water.  Second, he had to actively respond to Christ's call. Of course, if he tried to walk to Christ by his own power, he would certainly sink.  But by the grace of God, he was able to walk on water towards Him. Once he took his mind and eyes off of Christ, however, he immediately sank. But Christ in his mercifulness was waiting for Peter to call out to Him in repentance so that he could save him and restore him to his feet. Christ did not go to Peter and take him physically out of the boat and carry him onto the water (perhaps even against his will). He called Peter, and Peter responded in active faith.
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2009, 06:30:15 PM »

I'll start. These verses illustrate to me very clearly how Orthodox view synergistic grace.

From Mw. 14:

25 And in the fourth watch of the night He came to them, walking on the sea. 26 When the disciples saw Him walking on the sea, they were terrified, and said, “It is a ghost!” And they cried out in fear. 27 But immediately Jesus spoke to them, saying, “Take courage, it is I; do not be afraid.”
28 Peter said to Him, “Lord, if it is You, command me to come to You on the water.” 29 And He said, “Come!” And Peter got out of the boat, and walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But seeing the wind, he became frightened, and beginning to sink, he cried out, “Lord, save me!” 31 Immediately Jesus stretched out His hand and took hold of him, and said to him, “You of little faith, why did you doubt?” 32 When they got into the boat, the wind stopped. 33 And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, “You are certainly God’s Son!”

Christ called Peter to come out of the boat. In order to come out of the boat, two things needed to happen.  First, Peter had to believe that if he walked out, he would walk on water.  Second, he had to actively respond to Christ's call. Of course, if he tried to walk to Christ by his own power, he would certainly sink.  But by the grace of God, he was able to walk on water towards Him. Once he took his mind and eyes off of Christ, however, he immediately sank. But Christ in his mercifulness was waiting for Peter to call out to Him in repentance so that he could save him and restore him to his feet. Christ did not go to Peter and take him physically out of the boat and carry him onto the water (perhaps even against his will). He called Peter, and Peter responded in active faith.

Cool!





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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2009, 07:40:19 PM »

I'm not sure if I heard that scriptural analogy somewhere or I made it up, but it sure makes sense to me!  Cheesy
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