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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #450 on: August 11, 2017, 11:52:25 AM »
I have a question on the consequences: Exactly what would it mean if female altar servers were permitted?
What would it mean for the liturgy? What harm would it effectively do?
Mind I do not want to advocate female priesthood or anything, just curios what you think what kind of problems it would cause in real life.

But if you read the posts of the thread and look at the pictures posted there, you will see that female altar servers actually exist.
The best way is to ask the parishes that have female altar servers ;)

Really? I was under the impression that apart from very few exceptions (maybe some women´s monasteries), the altar was generally off limits for women.
Or were you referring to the picture with the Matushka, so to say a joke?

No, I was serious. There are female servers in some Antiochian parishes, including cathedrals. I think i remember seeing one in a Polish parish. And even beyond being an altar server, women do some their stuff, like carrying churhc ensing during processions, holding candles etc. Such things happen even in Russian parishes.

Ah ok, I guess I had a wrong conception of the word "altar server". I was assuming that, among other things, it entitled the person in question to access the other side of the iconostasis.
You know, because "altar server" contains the word "altar". Now, holding candles indeed does not seem to pose a problem.
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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #451 on: August 11, 2017, 11:54:14 AM »
I have a question on the consequences: Exactly what would it mean if female altar servers were permitted?
What would it mean for the liturgy? What harm would it effectively do?
Mind I do not want to advocate female priesthood or anything, just curios what you think what kind of problems it would cause in real life.

Considering St. Gregory N.'s sainted mother died clinging to the altar, perhaps the "problem" would be more great women saints for the Church.
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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #452 on: August 11, 2017, 12:10:43 PM »
I have a question on the consequences: Exactly what would it mean if female altar servers were permitted?
What would it mean for the liturgy? What harm would it effectively do?
Mind I do not want to advocate female priesthood or anything, just curios what you think what kind of problems it would cause in real life.

Considering St. Gregory N.'s sainted mother died clinging to the altar, perhaps the "problem" would be more great women saints for the Church.

Good point.
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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #453 on: August 11, 2017, 12:34:30 PM »

I love that!

Afterall, they were crowned together in matrimony, and I'm certain she supported him and encouraged him, and is a vital part of his ministry, and success.
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I would approve of a service to bless and consecrate Matushkas/Presbyteras, which could follow or be  inserted into the ordinarion liturgy of their husband.

Would be a pleasant bit of farce, if you ask me. It's not as tho these women are being chosen on their own merits. Therefore, it buries the question of why women's "ordainable" merits are not in the person of the woman herself acceptable offerings to the Church. As I alluded to before, there are religious movements in which it is held that the wife is saved by her husband's spiritual merits as long as she is faithful (Christian fundamentalist, altho Hindu fundamentalism teaches the same thing most explicitly). This is not orthodox, and any ritual that bears any similar message (in this case, that the ordination of a man is what can devolve to a woman) I very much doubt would be orthodox either.

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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #454 on: August 21, 2018, 07:13:25 AM »
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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #455 on: August 21, 2018, 11:21:51 AM »
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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #456 on: August 21, 2018, 12:02:37 PM »
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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #457 on: August 21, 2018, 12:42:59 PM »
https://www.virtueonline.org/women-clergy-will-be-death-church-england

I found this article quite interesting, the author is a woman against female ordination.


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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #458 on: August 21, 2018, 12:46:48 PM »
This ~ women/girls doing certain work or service and men/boys doing another ~ comes ~ I'm sure ~ from when Christ Walked and Talked to us ~ men and boys served in the accepted way ~ which The Lord approved ~ women and girls in another ```

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Re: Female Altar Servers??
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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #460 on: September 23, 2018, 08:00:18 AM »
An example from Bulgaria (video is from Liturgy of the previous Sunday): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuBF8I24mc8#t=2m27s
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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #461 on: September 24, 2018, 11:53:02 AM »
An example from Bulgaria (video is from Liturgy of the previous Sunday): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuBF8I24mc8#t=2m27s
Very refreshing to see the girls participating along with the boys. 

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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #462 on: September 24, 2018, 12:10:58 PM »
In my parish, there are two or three little girls who sometimes serve along with the gentlemen.

Haven't taken pictures yet. I will try to remedy that soon.
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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #463 on: September 24, 2018, 01:48:35 PM »
Do the girls customarily participate in activities outside of the altar? Like processions?

I have heard plenty of stories of Greek immigrant communities that had girls serve in the altar in the absence of boys being present, and that girls would simply stop serving in the altar area when they came "of age".

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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #464 on: September 24, 2018, 05:58:51 PM »
In my parish, there are two or three little girls who sometimes serve along with the gentlemen.

Haven't taken pictures yet. I will try to remedy that soon.

Please do so.  And also the name of your parish & location.

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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #465 on: September 24, 2018, 06:11:25 PM »
In my parish, there are two or three little girls who sometimes serve along with the gentlemen.

Haven't taken pictures yet. I will try to remedy that soon.

Please do so.  And also the name of your parish & location.

Name and location aren't particularly necessary.
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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #466 on: September 24, 2018, 06:25:03 PM »
In my parish, there are two or three little girls who sometimes serve along with the gentlemen.

Haven't taken pictures yet. I will try to remedy that soon.

Please do so.  And also the name of your parish & location.


Name and location aren't particularly necessary.

They are if Irene wants to rat them out to the Inquisition.
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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #467 on: September 24, 2018, 06:54:10 PM »
In my parish, there are two or three little girls who sometimes serve along with the gentlemen.

Haven't taken pictures yet. I will try to remedy that soon.

Please do so.  And also the name of your parish & location.


Name and location aren't particularly necessary.

They are if Irene wants to rat them out to the Inquisition.

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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #468 on: September 24, 2018, 06:57:43 PM »
In my parish, there are two or three little girls who sometimes serve along with the gentlemen.

Haven't taken pictures yet. I will try to remedy that soon.

Please do so.  And also the name of your parish & location.


Name and location aren't particularly necessary.

They are if Irene wants to rat them out to the Inquisition.

I highly doubt that is her intent.

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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #469 on: September 24, 2018, 07:03:57 PM »
In my parish, there are two or three little girls who sometimes serve along with the gentlemen.

Haven't taken pictures yet. I will try to remedy that soon.

Please do so.  And also the name of your parish & location.


Name and location aren't particularly necessary.

They are if Irene wants to rat them out to the Inquisition.



First of all the Orthodox Church does not have an inquisition.  I have seen pictures of female servers serving with the Patriarch of Antioch  and other pictures and videos on youtube so obviously there is no problem with the practice. I was just wondering if this is happening over here in North America too.

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Re: Female Altar Servers??
« Reply #470 on: September 24, 2018, 07:51:08 PM »
My apologies. The perfunctory wording of the request just looked strange to me. I didn't mean a literal Inquisition.
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