Conversions in Philipines
ialmisry:
Quote from: filipiniana on January 31, 2009, 02:58:32 AM
Quote from: ialmisry on January 31, 2009, 02:07:02 AM
uh, no. Russia is in the North. And Antioch would have to go through Constantinople to get there.
:P
Oh no! The Philippines is in South East Asia.
I am aware of that, but you started with Russia. Which, btw, is also how Chalcedonian Orthodoxy started in the Far East, with Russia.
Quote from: ialmisry on January 31, 2009, 02:07:02 AM
Russia is autocephalous. She elected her canonical Patriarch just recently. Patriarch Ignatius of Antioch will be commemorating Patriarch Cyril in the diptychs.
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So that clearly explains why the Antiochian Patriarch can not claim himself as "Patriarch of ALL the EAST" ::)
The Patriach has been carrying that title ever since, well, ever since Antioch has had a patriarchate, which is for some time now.
As the tomos of Russia's autocephalacy shows, Russia is in the North.
Quote from: ialmisry on January 31, 2009, 02:07:02 AM
The above mentioned Orthodox Cathedral, and St. John's presence, which I haven't seen denied by anyone.
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What Russian "Cathedral" and where is this Cathedral? You are imagining things again ialmisry ::)
In 1935, a Russian parish was established in Manila, and the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia appointed Father Mikhail Yerokhin as vicar. The Episcopal Church then permitted Fr. Mikhail to use the north transept of their cathedral for worship. In 1937, the first Orthodox church was built and was named after the Iberian Icon of the Mother of God. This also became the first Orthodox altar in the Philippines. Later, both the Episcopal Cathedral and the Russian Orthodox church in Manila were destroyed during the Second World War.
http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/Orthodoxy_in_the_Philippines
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The present Antiochian Hierarch, His Eminence Archbishop Paul Saliba only set foot (again CLANDESTINELY) in the Philippines in OCTOBER 2007 to ordain a Filipino-American as a Deacon for the now defunct "Antiochian Orthodox Christian Mission in the Philippines" but the whole enterprise ended in a fiasco. I said clandestinely because nobody from the local canonical Orthodox clergy under EP was informed of this undertaking by the then Metropolitan Archbishop now Primate of the Philippines, His Eminence Paul Saliba. The failed enterprise was described by a priest from another jurisdiction as "a big blunder on the part of the Archbishop." Sadly that was not the last "blunder" but only the first.
By the way the official website of OMHKSEA has been recently updated. Please visit:
Orthodox Metropolitanate of Hong Kong and South East Asia (OMHKSEA) [/url]
Quote from: ialmisry on January 31, 2009, 02:07:02 AM
http://www.antiochianarch.org.au/
Have a look at this site, this is the result of Archbishop Paul Saliba's first "big blunder" in the Philippines:
http://www.orthodox.org.ph/
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OK, what's the blunder shown?
filipiniana:
Quote from: Thomas on January 31, 2009, 08:25:30 AM
I note in your reference to http://www.orthodox.org.ph/
you fail to note that the Liturgies that they publish are those utilized by the Eastern Orthodox Church, namely:
Wedding Service
Liturgy Saint James Jerusalem
Liturgy Saint Basil Caesarea
Liturgy Saint John Chrysostom
Deacons Typika with Hours
Readers Typika with Hours
Ordination to Deacon
According to all that I have read in official Antiochian resources these are the liturgies that they are to progress to in short course. Their documents note their Patriarchate and they are under the Antiochian Patrirachate.
Wishing all Othodox Christians in the Phillipines blessed unity in my prayers.
Thomas
Mr Thomas,
Please be informed that this particular "orthodox" group in Manila which call itself the "Iglesia Orthodoxa ng Pilipinas" (Orthodox Church in the Philippines" and who owns the website http://www.orthodox.org.ph/ is NOT in communion with the Antiochian Archdiocese of Australia, New Zealand and the Philippines nor the EP. The said "Iglesia Orthodoxa ng Pilipinas" was registered at the Philippine SEC by Father Christopher Gain, a former deacon under the Antiochian Orthodox Archdiocese of Australia and New Zealand in 2006. Christopher Gain was "released" from the Antiochian Archdiocese in 2007. This group which calls itself the "Orthodox Church in the Philippines" was the result of that "big blunder". They do not recognize the Primate in Australia but they call themselves "Antiochian". So now everything is clear ialmisry?
ialmisry:
Quote from: filipiniana on January 31, 2009, 07:33:01 AM
Now for the brighter side of canonical Orthodoxy in the Philippines, let me share to my Filipino Orthodox faithful abroad this good news:
New Ordinations
On Friday 12 and Saturday 13 December (2008), Metropolitan Nektarios of Hong Kong and Southeast Asia ordained two new clergyman in Manila, Philippines. The new Priest, Fr.George, is married an has five children and he will serve in Masbate, South Philippines. In Masbate there is a small Orthodox Community and the Monastery of the Birth of Theotokos with four Nuns. The new Deacon, Fr. James, is married and has three children. He will serve in Manila at the Annunciation Cathedral.
SOURCE: Orthodox Metropolitanate of Hong Kong and South East Asia
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Glory to God!
filipiniana:
Quote from: ialmisry on January 31, 2009, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: ialmisry on January 31, 2009, 02:07:02 AM
The above mentioned Orthodox Cathedral, and St. John's presence, which I haven't seen denied by anyone.
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What Russian "Cathedral" and where is this Cathedral? You are imagining things again ialmisry ::)
In 1935, a Russian parish was established in Manila, and the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia appointed Father Mikhail Yerokhin as vicar. The Episcopal Church then permitted Fr. Mikhail to use the north transept of their cathedral for worship. In 1937, the first Orthodox church was built and was named after the Iberian Icon of the Mother of God. This also became the first Orthodox altar in the Philippines. Later, both the Episcopal Cathedral and the Russian Orthodox church in Manila were destroyed during the Second World War.
http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/Orthodoxy_in_the_Philippines
Where is the Orthodox Cathedral? You said "Orthodox Cathedral". I don't see any Orthodox Cathedral in your reference ialmisry
Please read the whole context. Let me explain it to you in simple English: The Cathedral belongs to the Episcopal Church in the Philippines who allowed the Russians in 1935 to use "the north transept" since they don't have a place of worship and the "first Orthodox Church" (not a Cathedral!) was yet to be built in 1937. The Orthodox WIKI did not say that the first Orthodox Church which was named after the Iberian Icon of the Theotokos was also a "Cathedral". Is everything clear now, ialmisry?
ialmisry:
Quote from: filipiniana on January 31, 2009, 09:59:36 AM
Quote from: Thomas on January 31, 2009, 08:25:30 AM
I note in your reference to http://www.orthodox.org.ph/
you fail to note that the Liturgies that they publish are those utilized by the Eastern Orthodox Church, namely:
Wedding Service
Liturgy Saint James Jerusalem
Liturgy Saint Basil Caesarea
Liturgy Saint John Chrysostom
Deacons Typika with Hours
Readers Typika with Hours
Ordination to Deacon
According to all that I have read in official Antiochian resources these are the liturgies that they are to progress to in short course. Their documents note their Patriarchate and they are under the Antiochian Patrirachate.
Wishing all Othodox Christians in the Phillipines blessed unity in my prayers.
Thomas
Mr Thomas,
Please be informed that this particular "orthodox" group in Manila which call itself the "Iglesia Orthodoxa ng Pilipinas" (Orthodox Church in the Philippines" and who owns the website http://www.orthodox.org.ph/ is NOT in communion with the Antiochian Archdiocese of Australia, New Zealand and the Philippines nor the EP. The said "Iglesia Orthodoxa ng Pilipinas" was registered at the Philippine SEC by Father Christopher Gain, a former deacon under the Antiochian Orthodox Archdiocese of Australia and New Zealand in 2006. Christopher Gain was "released" from the Antiochian Archdiocese in 2007. This group which calls itself the "Orthodox Church in the Philippines" was the result of that "big blunder". They do not recognize the Primate in Australia but they call themselves "Antiochian". So now everything is clear ialmisry?
Is this the release you speak of?
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04 Fr Dn Chris Gain appointed Chaplain to Students in Manila
Father Deacon Chris Gain, formerly of the Australian Antiochian Archdiocese and released in February 2007 by Archbishop Paul Saliba of Australia to the Patriarchate in Damascus, has been appointed Orthodox Chaplain of Students at the National Episcopal Theological Seminary of Saint Andrew in Quezon City, MetroManila, The Philippines.
Father Deacon Chris is the Director of the Orthodox Studies Centre on the Saint Andrew's Theological Seminary campus.
Making the announcement, the dean of the seminary, Very Reverend Tomas Maddela said, "I am delighted Father Chris was prepared to accede to my request to assist the seminary in this way. Having pastorally experienced clergy with the wide life experience of Father Chris is just what students need. Since he is outside the seminary authority structure, students may feel more comfortable with him than with faculty members who have disciplinary responsibilities over the students."
Father Chris said, "Although I am occupied establishing the three Orthodox parishes in Barangay Violago and surrounding barangays, I live on Saint Andrew's Theological Seminary campus, and some of the seminary students are taking postgraduate courses at the Orthodox Studies Centre. I see seminary students every day, so it is a natural step in furthering good relations and understanding of Orthodoxy with our separated brothers and sisters of the Anglican and Independiente traditions in the Philippines. I am pleased to be able to assist in this honorary appointment too."
http://www.antiochian.org.au/content/view/664/1/
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